Wednesday, January 27, 2010



David Miller-Engel Please put this on your status if you or someone you know is gay. My wish for 2010 is that people will understand that being gay is not a disease--people who are gay are not looking for a cure but for ACCEPTANCE and EQUAL RIGHTS....93% won't Copy and Paste this. Will you make this your status for at least one hour?Mon at 2:32pm · Comment ·LikeUnlikeEllen Grinstein Perliter and 6 others like this.

H Winston Parker david homosexuality is an aboration against god....and all the "tollerance/acceptance" in the world will not change that....and i am not godless...not will i ever condone it
ANONYMOUS: Call me "old-fashioned," but it sure seems like a lot of people who can't spell their way out of a corner seem to be oh-so-sure that they know what God feels. Ignorant people will keep believing what they want to believe, regardless of what is right. And there are a lot of people out there who want to keep them ignorant.

H Winston Parker spelling...actually more typing could be better i'm sure/////ignorant ...not a christian or jewish or muslim take your choice homosexuality is a sin...and you and all the liberals/progressives in the world will never change can not obey the laws of god selectively and if you believe that can, you are indeed the ... one whoand don't to is is the written word of god michele not something i pulled out of a hat.....sometimes you can be so "smart" your "stupid".....and don't let your desire to be so tollerant, you condemn your soul to helll

ANONYMOUS: I guess we'll both find out after we die how God really feels about this issue. My guess is that God would be more offended by your hatred. In either case, neither of us is God's spokesman/spokeswoman. I am not arrogant enough to say that I am. I'd love to know, H Winston, where YOU are getting your info about God's laws. And I'm surprised that you don't even feel a need to capitalize God's name. I would say that shows a lack of respect.

H Winston Parker i never showed or wrote anything hateful that is a quantum leap on your part and is so typical of your ilk....futher i am no spokesperson for the good lord i refer to the holy bible of the christians, the old testiment of the jews and the koran of the muslim....and as for caps like i said i am not the best typer in the world and no disrespect was ...ever intended...but you missey may snipe at my typing skills (lack of lol) or my misspelling (being a college grad you'd think i'd do the written word is the written word and you can not selectively obey the laws of god you find convienant and dismiss the ones you disagree with.....many a prison is overfilled eith people how act with the mentality you speak---although they break not only heavenly law they apply this mindset to man made law

ANONYMOUS: So, I take it that you keep kosher?

H Winston Parker i am not no to your first question....and yes to your second-----i go to church on sundays and then usually assist a friend of mine who runs a soup kitchen for the poor----think the Good Lord would like that---just a feeling

ANONYMOUS: You may not be Jewish, but God's law states pretty clearly that there are certain dietary restrictions to be followed.

ANONYMOUS: If you refer to the Torah (OT), the New Testament, and the Koran, do you always just pick and choose what you want to accept as "God's laws"????

H Winston Parker no michele i try the best as HUMANLY possible to abide by those i perfect--- NO...not even close but i do believe that jesus died on a cross to save my soul and to the best of my abilty i try to live a life accordingly....cause in the end we will be judged according to our well... be blessed... i see from your picture you have a lovely child---so i know the grace of god has already touched your life

ANONYMOUS: So, how do you know that homosexuality is against God's law?

ANONYMOUS: And if you're a Christian, can you show me where Jesus says that homosexuality is wrong? I haven't been able to find that....

H Winston Parker Homosexuality is an illicit lust forbidden by God. He said to His people Israel, "Thou shalt not lie with mankind, as with womankind: it is abomination" (Leviticus 18:22). "If a man also lie with mankind, as he lieth with a woman, both of them have committed an abomination, their blood shall be upon them" (Leviticus 20:13). In these passages ... homosexuality is condemned as a prime example of sin, a sexual perversion. The Christian can neither alter God's viewpoint nor depart from it. In the Bible sodomy is a synonym for homosexuality. God spoke plainly on the matter when He said, "There shall be no whore of the daughters of Israel, nor a sodomite of the sons of Israel" (Deuteronomy 23:17). The whore and the sodomite are in the same category. A sodomite was not an inhabitant of Sodom nor a descendant of an inhabitant of Sodom, but a man who had given himself to homosexuality, the perverted and unnatural vice for which Sodom was known.

H Winston Parker Any evil condemned in Scripture cannot be honoring to God. Homosexual religious leaders attempt to smooth over the breaks and rough places with Christian terminology so that a euphoria predominates, but God is not in it. A truly born again person, who loves and understands the Bible as God's revelation to him, will not condone an evil that God ... condemns. "If ye know that He is righteous, ye know that every one that doeth righteousness is born of Him" (I John 2:29). "Nevertheless the foundation of God standeth sure, having this seal, The Lord knoweth them that are His. And, let every one that nameth the name of Christ depart from iniquity" (II Timothy 2:19). Practicing homosexuals are engaged in a divinely forbidden evil.

ANONYMOUS: So, YOU choose to accept what Leviticus says about homosexuality. And YOU choose NOT to accept what Leviticus says about dietary restrictions. Tell me why YOU get to choose which parts of the Bible are important enough to follow??? Do I have to find citations, too?
H Winston Parker Romans 1:24-27; I Timothy 1:10 and Jude 7. If one takes these Scriptures seriously, homosexuality will be recognized as an evil. The Romans passage is unmistakably clear. Paul attributes the moral depravity of men and women to their rejection of "the truth of God" (1:25). They refused "to retain God in their knowledge" (1:28), thereby dethroning God and deifying themselves. The Old Testament had clearly condemned homosexuality but in Paul's day there were those persons who rejected its teaching. Because of their rejection of God's commands He punished their sin by delivering them over to it.

The philosophy of substituting God's Word with one's own reasoning commenced with Satan. He introduced it at the outset of the human race by suggesting to Eve that she ignore God's orders, assuring her that in so doing she would become like God with the power to discern good and evil (Genesis 3:1-5). That was Satan's big lie. Paul said that when any person rejects God's truth, his mind becomes "reprobate," meaning perverted, void of sound judgment. The perverted mind, having rejected God's truth, is not capable of discerning good and evil.

In Romans 1:26-31 twenty-three punishable sins are listed with homosexuality leading the list. Paul wrote, "For this cause God gave them up into vile affections: for even their women did change the natural use into that which is against nature: And likewise also the men, leaving the natural use of the woman, burned in their lust one toward another; men with men working that which is unseemly, and receiving in themselves that recompense of their error which was meet" (Romans 1:26, 27). These verses are telling us that homosexuals suffer in their body and personality the inevitable consequences of their wrong doing. Notice that the behaviour of the homosexual is described as a "vile affection" (1:26). The Greek word translated "vile" (atimia) means filthy, dirty, evil, dishonourable. The word "affection" in Greek is pathos, used by the Greeks of either a good or bad desire. Here in the context of Romans it is used in a bad sense. The "vile affection" is a degrading passion, a shameful lust. Both the desire (lusting after) and the act of homosexuality are condemned in the Bible as sin....

ANONYMOUS: I can find a LOT of laws in Leviticus that I'm sure you and your fellow Christians don't follow and have absolutely no interest in following. I'm sure you can find them, too.

H Winston Parker want more....
H Winston Parker be right.. honor God in all that you do

ANONYMOUS: And, H Winston, you still haven't found a single instance in your New Testament showing that Jesus was against homosexuality. Romans, Timothy, Paul, these were all after Jesus. In all the words attributed to Jesus in the New Testament, NO ONE has ever been able to show me one place where Jesus himself was quoted as saying anything at all about homosexuality.

ANONYMOUS: Yes, eventually, all the extremist Christians who want the rest of us to change all our civic laws to fit THEIR picture of God, eventually they back down, because they know that they are unable to explain why THEY get to pick and choose which of God's laws to follow. They love Leviticus until you happen to mention that there are a LOT of laws in there, and Christians just don't want to follow ALL of God's laws.

H Winston Parker On that you are wrong........ think i got the caps right......and believeing the basic precepts of our religion does not make me and others like me extremist....again you make those quantum leaps and wish to infer things that are just not so.....finally, be well ... cause it's back to work i go ....hope to here from you again soon

ANONYMOUS: H Winston, you still didn't answer my question about why you don't follow the other laws mentioned in Leviticus...

H Winston Parker "This is best answer I can give you.

First let me state that if you are a homosexual or enage in such behavior Jesus still loves you but dislikes your behavior and desires for you to change.

In Reponse to your question no specific sermon or story that Jesus may have given about specific homosexual behavior is found in Scripture. Nor does specifically use the word "homosexual" in scripture. But an argument from silence would be incorrect. The Bible does not record that Jesus ever mentioned rape, incest, pedophilia, or other blatant sins by name either. But just because Jesus does not mention them, does not imply that we should commit these offenses against God and each other. Jesus is very clear on the proper marriage relationship as mentioned in Matthew 19:4-5:...

"Haven't you read," he replied, "that at the beginning the Creator 'made them male and female and said, 'For this reason a man will leave his father and mother and be united to his wife, and the two will become one flesh"
Jesus was also very clear about the concept of sexual immorality been an evil thought from within one own heart in Mark 7:21: "For from within, out of men's hearts, come evil thoughts, sexual immorality, theft, murder, adultery"
Additional Jesus did not come to abolish the law but fufill it. While Jesus abolished the cermonal laws of the Old Testment the moral laws of the Old Testment remain applicable.
The Bible also contains specific references to sexual imorality here are some examples in fact in the OT is was so serious it was a capital offence.
Leviticus 18:22 'Do not lie with a man as one lies with a woman; that is detestable.
Leviticus 20:13 " 'If a man lies with a man as one lies with a woman, both of them have done what is detestable. They must be put to death; their blood will be on their own heads.
I Cor 6:9-10 "Do you not know that the wicked will not inherit the kingdom of God? Do not be deceived: Neither the sexually immoral nor idolaters nor adulterers nor male prostitutes nor homosexual offenders nor thieves nor the greedy nor drunkards nor slanderers nor swindlers will inherit the kingdom of God"
Jude 1:7 "In a similar way, Sodom and Gomorrah and the surrounding towns gave themselves up to sexual immorality and perversion. They serve as an example of those who suffer the punishment of eternal fire"
In fact there is at least 9 specific references in the Bible (at least 4 in the OT and 5 in the NT about homosexuality and none are in support of it.

If God the father, Jesus, and the holy spirt are all God never changes God therefore condones homesexual behavior. It is simply that logical. Even though Jesus did not specifically mention it by name while he walked on this earth it is still a sin."

H Winston Parker "'Two words come to mind when I think about Leviticus: holiness and worship. In those days the holy LORD was present in the midst of the people (Ex. 40:34, Lev. 1:1). The people of Israel must therefore properly address their sin and impurity and must strive for personal holiness. In order to approach God, worshipers must be wholehearted in their devotion (1:1–6:7; 22:17–30). The same applies to us today. We are called and commanded to worship the LORD. In order to do this we need to present ourselves appropriately. By the grace of God, through Jesus, are able to come before the LORD with confidence (Heb. 4:16, 10:19-22, 10:35). Yet, this does not mean that we don’t have to worry about our holiness! We, like in the old days, are still called to strive for personal holiness, to sanctify ourselves completely (1 Thess. 5:23), and in the truth (John 17:17), through the work of the Holy Spirit (1 Peter 1:2), and have Jesus reign in our hearts as LORD (1 Peter 3:15).

The book of Leviticus gives us a picture of the seriousness of sanctification, the utter holiness of the LORD, the utter separation we have through sin, and the foreshadowing of Jesus in the midst of it all, as it is impossible from the human side to present ourselves clean before the LORD.

The book of Leviticus gives us these pictures as it discusses the need for offerings (ch. 1-7), the need for a priesthood (ch. 8-10), the need for explaining cleanness and uncleanness (ch. 11-15), the need for atonement (ch. 16), the need for blood to atone (ch. 17), and the need for holiness (ch. 18-22). This all builds up to Jesus in chapter 23 where the holy feasts are explained prophetically for the appointed times and the ultimate redemption (jubilee and the law of redemption). The book closes then off with a series of blessings and curses (ch. 26) and vows and dedications (ch. 27)....
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In other words, the whole book is a picture the need for holiness as the LORD is holy, with the purpose of worshiping the LORD in all we do and are."

H Winston Parker and you sound like a christian hater....yes/no

ANONYMOUS: H Winston, my guess from reading what you've commented above is that your spelling and capitalization has vastly improved. Hallelujah! I'm guessing God must have been helping you out there (or maybe some internet site...).

In my humble opinion, it is a COPOUT to say that "Additional [sic] Jesus did not come to abolish the law but fufill it. While ...Jesus abolished the cermonal laws of the Old Testment the moral laws of the Old Testment remain applicable." Oh, I guess there was a typo there after all.

It is such a copout for Christians who get all holier-than-thou-I-know-exactly-what-is-important-to-God-and-you-don't to say that CERTAIN parts (the ones they WANT to follow) still apply, but CERTAIN OTHER parts (the ones they can't be bothered with) don't apply any more.

ANONYMOUS: If you want to read the Bible literally as God's word, with no intervening human pushing of certain text, then in order to not be a hypocrite, you need to take it ALL. Well, only if you want my respect for the integrity of your philosophy. But, my guess is you don't care about integrity. Most of you guys don't. You like to manipulate your "holy ...books" to say whatever you want them to say. And you allow yourselves to be manipulated by your religious leaders into denying people their civil rights. I bet your religious leaders were in favor of the anti-miscegenation laws thirty, forty years ago, too. They thought that was an "abomination against God," too.

H Winston Parker and this time you didn't answer my sound like a christian hater

ANONYMOUS: I was interrupted by my REAL life, H Winston. I DO have more to do than try to educate the masses via Facebook.

I am not a Christian hater. I do not hate any group of people. I dislike hypocrisy. I dislike when people use their religion to deny other people their civil rights. If your church doesn't believe in gay marriage, then don't marry them your church. If your church doesn't like gays, then don't accept them as members of your church. Very simple.

But don't try to deny other people their civil rights because you disagree with them. You aren't saying that people who have committed the other sins you mention (adultery, etc.) should not be allowed to marry. When you have a unified philosophy, I'll have more respect for it.

H Winston Parker give your ego a break... i certainly don't need to be educated by you...and again you make quantum leaps because i never said anything about denying anyone their civil liberties...all i stated was i am opposed to assumed the the rest (which seems to be your exercise of choice)....maybe you should try being a student ...more and less trying to "educate" people with liberal bullshit---i will remind you the road to hell is paved with good intentions....and as far as respect goes yours means little to me as i can see clearly the path you walk...

ANONYMOUS: Let me remind you, H Winston, that YOU are the one who responded to David's original post, in which he was asking for acceptance and civil rights. You are the one who says that being "tollerant" [sic] is wrong. Unless I misunderstood you??

Oh, and let me remind you that YOU stated that "you can not obey the laws of god selectively" (in the 3rd ...comment box above) and "The Christian can neither alter God's viewpoint nor depart from it" (I believe it's in the 14th comment box), yet you explicitly state later on that Christians don't have to follow all God's laws. "While Jesus abolished the cermonal [sic] laws of the Old Testment the moral laws of the Old Testment remain applicable." (8 boxes above this one) It's just very convenient that Christians have come to decide that certain laws (established by God) no longer apply to them.

H Winston Parker the only lack of tollerance seems to come from you....remember when you point one figer out at another three are pointing back at yourself....maybe you should take an honest look inward

ANONYMOUS: Are you referring to my "intolerance" (only one L) regarding bad spelling? And improper capitalization, including thinking that "God" should be capitalized? If so, granted, yes, I am slightly intolerant of people who can't be bothered to spell correctly. Well, at least when they are spelling things in their first language. But perhaps English isn't your first language, in which case "Bravo! You're doing a great job with it!"

ANONYMOUS: Oh... maybe you're referring to me insisting that you have some consistency in your insistence that we all follow God's laws. Oh right, only when they have to do with homosexuality. Because, we all know, God didn't actually MEAN that we should follow all those other laws....

H Winston Parker let it go and get a blessed...and save the venom for someone who wishes you ill----i'm not that :)

Connie Geocaris ANONYMOUS...YOU GO GIRL!!!!!

H Winston Parker connie wondering when the cheering section was going to show that heck are you
Mon at 10:50pm H Winston Parker Homosexuality: The Christian Perspective
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Q. What is homosexuality?

Homosexuality is the manifestation of sexual desire toward a member of one's own sex or the erotic activity with a member of the same sex. (The Greek word homos means the same). A lesbian is a female homosexual. More recently the term "gay" has come into popular use to refer to both sexes who are homosexuals...

Q. How does one determine if the practice of homosexuality is right or wrong?

That depends upon who is answering the question. The Christian point of view is based solely upon the Bible, the divinely inspired Word of God. A truly Christian standard of ethics is the conduct of divine revelation, not of statistical research nor of public opinion. For the Christian, the Bible is the final authority for both belief and behaviour.

Q. What explicitly does the Bible teach about homosexuality?

This question I consider to be basic because, if we accept God's Word on the subject of homosexuality, we benefit from His adequate answer to this problem. I am concerned only with the Christian or biblical view of homosexuality. The Bible has much to say about sex sins in general.

First, there is adultery. Adultery in the natural sense is sexual intercourse of a married person with someone other than his or her own spouse. It is condemned in both the Old and New Testaments (Exodus 20:14; I Cor. 6:9, 10). Christ forbids dwelling upon the thoughts, the free play of one's imagination that leads to adultery (Matthew 5:28).

Second, there is fornication, the illicit sex acts of unmarried persons which is likewise forbidden (I Corinthians 5:1; 6:13, 18; Ephesians 5:3).

Then there is homosexuality which likewise is condemned in Scripture. The Apostle Paul, writing by inspiration of the Holy Spirit, declares that homosexuality "shall not inherit the kingdom of God" (I Corinthians 6:9; 10). Now Paul does not single out the homosexual as a special offender. He includes fornicators, idolators, adulterers, thieves, covetous persons, drunkards, revilers and extortioners. And then he adds the comment that some of the Christians at Corinth had been delivered from these very practices: "And such were some of you: But ye are washed, but ye are sanctified, but ye are justified in the name of the Lord Jesus, and by the spirit of our God" (I Corinthians 6:11). All of the sins mentioned in this passage are condemned by God, but just as there was hope in Christ for the Corinthians, so is there hope for all of us.

Homosexuality is an illicit lust forbidden by God. He said to His people Israel, "Thou shalt not lie with mankind, as with womankind: it is abomination" (Leviticus 18:22). "If a man also lie with mankind, as he lieth with a woman, both of them have committed an abomination: they shall surely be put to death; their blood shall be upon them" (Leviticus 20:13). In these passages homosexuality is condemned as a prime example of sin, a sexual perversion. The Christian can neither alter God's viewpoint nor depart from it.

In the Bible sodomy is a synonym for homosexuality. God spoke plainly on the matter when He said, "There shall be no whore of the daughters of Israel, nor a sodomite of the sons of Israel" (Deuteronomy 23:17). The whore and the sodomite are in the same category. A sodomite was not an inhabitant of Sodom nor a descendant of an inhabitant of Sodom, but a man who had given himself to homosexuality, the perverted and unnatural vice for which Sodom was known. Let us look at the passages in question:

But before they lay down, the men of the city, even the men of Sodom, compassed the house around, both old and young, all the people from every quarter:

And they called unto Lot, and said unto him, Where are the men which came in to thee this night? Bring them out unto us, that we may know them.

And Lot went out at the door unto them, and shut the door after him, And said, I pray you, brethren, do not so wickedly.

Behold now, I have two daughters which have not known man; let me, I pray you, bring them out unto you, and do ye to them as is good in your eyes: only unto these men do nothing; for therefore came they under the shadow of my roof. (Genesis 19:4-8)

The Hebrew word for "know" in verse 5 is yada`, a sexual term. It is used frequently to denote sexual intercourse (Genesis 4:1, 17, 25; Matthew 1:24, 25). The message in the context of Genesis 19 is clear. Lot pled with the men to "do not so wickedly." Homosexuality is wickedness and must be recognized as such else there is no hope for the homosexual who is asking for help to be extricated from his perverted way of life.

Q. You said that sexua1 intercourse outside of marriage is condemned in the Bible. How do you explain marriage ceremonies in which two persons of the same sex are united by an officiating clergyman or justice of the peace?

There are cases on record where a marriage license was issued to persons of the same sex. I recall one such incident in Phoenix, Arizona. A marriage license was issued in the Maricopa County clerk's office to two men 39 and 21 years old respectively. The two men are reported to have "married" in a private ceremony.

However, to call a union of two persons of the same sex a "marriage" is a misnomer. In the Bible, marriage is a divinely ordered institution designed to form a permanent union between one man and one woman for one purpose (among others) of procreating or propagating the human race. That was God's order in the first of such unions (Genesis 1:27, 28; 2:24; Matthew 19:5). If, in His original creation of humans, God had created two persons of the same sex, there would not be a human race in existence today. The whole idea of two persons of the same sex marrying is absurd, unsound, ridiculously unreasonable, stupid. A clergyman might bless a homosexual marriage but God won't.

Q. A Jesuit Priest, John J. McNeill, reportedly said in a conference (Christianity Today, June 3, 1977), "There is no clear condemnation of homosexual activity to be found anywhere in the Bible." How does a church leader arrive at such a conclusion?

This particular Jesuit priest, like some other supposedly Christian theologians, have totally ignored the Scriptures as the guidelines for Christian behaviour in regard to homosexuality. McNeill does not speak for the Roman Catholic Church, but for a small segment of priests who, having vowed themselves to celibacy, that is, to abstain from marriage and sexual intercourse, have found sexual gratification in homosexual acts.

However, religious sex perverts are plentiful among protestants. Protestant leaders on both sides of the Atlantic have gradually eased away from the Scriptures. In England men like Bishop John Robinson, in his book Honest to God made a play on the term "The New Morality," which in reality was a plea to open the door to immorality making it respectable and thus acceptable. The Bishop went so far as to describe the unscriptural adulterous relationship as "a kind of holy communion." This modern concept of Christian ethics rejects totally the precepts laid down by God in His Word. It is blasphemous and atheistic.

Recently in America ten homosexually oriented religious organizations, comprised of men and women from more than a dozen denominations, and from seventeen states and Canada, met at Kirkbridge, a retreat and study center near Bangor, Pennsylvania. The retreat was entitled, "Gay and Christian." But the two terms, "gay" and "Christian" are mutually exclusive, incompatible, incongruous.

Representing the women at that retreat, Nancy Krody a lesbian, spoke on "The Lesbian Christian Experience." Here again is a misnomer. A practicing Christian, from the biblical viewpoint, will not be a practicing homosexual. Of course, I make the distinction between a professing Christian and a practicing Christian.

Suzen Sarko Absolutey!!!

David Miller-Engel Winston the only abomination is your "Christian Attitude" and holier than thou pronouncements on the bible. You cannot have it both ways. either follow all the laws or keep quiet about being selective. You have and always will be on the losing end of that arguement so you should just pipe down with your self righteous views. The inconsistency of ...your views should be more troublesome to you than someone elese sexuality. I for one have no problem being selective and do not feel the need to proclaim my morality based on my selectivety. Food for thought although in my many discussion with born agains I have found them starved for ideas

David Miller-Engel As the final word Winston, My nephew my cousins and my friends are not or ever will be abominations no matter how hard you try to make them.. You should find a little more of the live and let live parts of the bible and Christian Judeo ethic to believe in ...

Connie Geocaris very reasonable, david!!!

David Miller-Engel why thank you Connie...

Sarah Gee go david go! this is quite a thread!

ANONYMOUS: I can't resist from one last post tonight:

H Winston, while I DO appreciate that you cited your source (that's the academic nerd in me), it doesn't take much work to copy and paste from someone else's ideas. And an overly long comment like that is just meant to glaze everyone's eyes over.

If you really want to engage anyone in a conversation, do your research, cite it, and put the main points in your own words, with some interesting analysis and thought of your own. Didn't they teach that to you in your college (or high school)? Otherwise, just give us a link to the place on the web that you get your info, and we can be big boys and girls and look it up....

OK, I'm off to bed, so don't take it as a personal affront if I don't respond to you, HW; it's not a sign of hatred towards you, it's just that I have a few other things to do in my life.

ANONYMOUS: And, David, I'm astonished to find such a long string of comments from what seemed like such a mundane status post on your end. I keep seeing these messages to change one's status for a few hours... I never expected so much typing practice to come of it. And me with a messed-up W!!

H Winston Parker final word from me ...may god's blessing be the light that shines upon your lives

Arthur Imparato: I don't want to be labeled, because being gay or black or a rapper or a redneck or alternative has only separated us, and those are labels previous generations have come up with, not us. We need to embrace our differences, not focus on them.

When you are dead, no one will give a shit about what it is you think is real. Here is what is real. LOVE.

And there is no hate in dat.... Put that in your pipe and smoke it.

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